@frank @humanetech Ah, another big drawback about shared Peertube players is, that they don't support older browsers. One of my macs is on 10.9 (no higher than Firefox 78 possible).

At some point in 2021 Peertube stopped working on shared players with this machine. Surfing Peertube sites directly works, though. That is really useless tuff, that shouldn't be done to users.

#peertubefail #olderfirefox #peertube #sharedplayers

@jayrope

Well if the browser don't get security updates anymore from mozilla it's only consequent IMHO.

@frank @humanetech

@the_white_wolf @frank @humanetech

I see that differently. Youtube proves you wrong, too. I need no security udates for a peertube.

This happens, because devs use libraries they don't fully understand and refuse to keep backwards compatibility on top of their list in favor of pushing everything through half-tested, that looks new & cool. This is very unsustainaing & i consider it a hostile approach.

A few software companies such as Cockos (Reaper DAW) understood this and work differently.

@jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank

Tbh, I feel that developers are often blamed for a lot of things they should or should not do while they have a ballooning project under their hands. And they develop on a low budget or completely as volunteer. AFAIU #PeerTube has one dedicated developer that receives funding from Framagit and some active volunteer contributors.

The project has become large and complex in short time, and everyone is clamoring to add this feature or that to it. It's a tough job.

@humanetech @the_white_wolf @frank How can this be helped? donations? I am kind of sure there is a ton of qualified designers who'd help this, if in their free time. I'll try sthg in Greasemonky for a start.

@jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank

> wasn't meaning to disgrace this respectable work

And I was talking in general, and not inferring you were :)

This is a very tough problem that plagues free software development for a long time. I think part of the solution lies in enabling a deeper kind of participation for any person to #FOSS projects. Not only easing the onboarding of people with different skills, but having any fedizen on board, able to inform themself, understand tensions and decisions.

@humanetech @jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank@linuxrocks.online
re devs using libraries for... no good reason?
I just noticed during the #rc3 that the #jitsi client on F-droid is no longer supported on android < version 6. I can't even express in words how bad this feels on so many levels.

Forcing people to acquire new devices creates electronic junk, promotes exploitation of humans and limited physical resources.

@keith @humanetech @the_white_wolf @frank Keith, i sympathize with you, am on Android 6 myself, so i will be next to be dropped.
I want to broaden the case massively:
I've many friends in poorer countries who can't afford technology updates frcing thm nto OS or even hardware updates. They are basically left with what they got without any option to be taken care of later.
Technology development in Western/rich countries, especially #FOSS, should really keep this in mind and cater to them & us.

@humanetech

The problem that I do not know how to deal with is 3-fold

1st there is #android itself, the main problem - that illegitimate robot spawn of FOSS+capitalism.

2nd are the portable computing devices and the culture of feeling somehow incomplete as humans without them, calling them "phones", with their locked bootloaders, closed propriety chips and firmwares et al.

3rd, as @jayrope alluded to is the complexity and the many layers and frameworks that modern software is based on.