@frank @humanetech Ah, another big drawback about shared Peertube players is, that they don't support older browsers. One of my macs is on 10.9 (no higher than Firefox 78 possible).

At some point in 2021 Peertube stopped working on shared players with this machine. Surfing Peertube sites directly works, though. That is really useless tuff, that shouldn't be done to users.

#peertubefail #olderfirefox #peertube #sharedplayers

@jayrope

Well if the browser don't get security updates anymore from mozilla it's only consequent IMHO.

@frank @humanetech

@the_white_wolf @frank @humanetech

I see that differently. Youtube proves you wrong, too. I need no security udates for a peertube.

This happens, because devs use libraries they don't fully understand and refuse to keep backwards compatibility on top of their list in favor of pushing everything through half-tested, that looks new & cool. This is very unsustainaing & i consider it a hostile approach.

A few software companies such as Cockos (Reaper DAW) understood this and work differently.

@jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank

Tbh, I feel that developers are often blamed for a lot of things they should or should not do while they have a ballooning project under their hands. And they develop on a low budget or completely as volunteer. AFAIU #PeerTube has one dedicated developer that receives funding from Framagit and some active volunteer contributors.

The project has become large and complex in short time, and everyone is clamoring to add this feature or that to it. It's a tough job.

@humanetech @the_white_wolf @frank How can this be helped? donations? I am kind of sure there is a ton of qualified designers who'd help this, if in their free time. I'll try sthg in Greasemonky for a start.

@jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank

> wasn't meaning to disgrace this respectable work

And I was talking in general, and not inferring you were :)

This is a very tough problem that plagues free software development for a long time. I think part of the solution lies in enabling a deeper kind of participation for any person to #FOSS projects. Not only easing the onboarding of people with different skills, but having any fedizen on board, able to inform themself, understand tensions and decisions.

@humanetech @jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank@linuxrocks.online
re devs using libraries for... no good reason?
I just noticed during the #rc3 that the #jitsi client on F-droid is no longer supported on android < version 6. I can't even express in words how bad this feels on so many levels.

Forcing people to acquire new devices creates electronic junk, promotes exploitation of humans and limited physical resources.

@humanetech @jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank@linuxrocks.online
There may be some kind of valid reason for the version bump, if I find time I might look at the commit log and see if it is documented.