Keith Whyte @keith@tic-ac.org

@ikuturso
Yes! THIS point: "Not everyone cares to chase the numbers".

It remains to be seen if a decentralised federated "social" network can accommodate both number chasers and.. um what could one call the others... Maybe put it in terms of quantity vs quality?

Numbers, likes, follows, boosts, re-whatever, i am still not convinced there is much value in it, apart from the value as the addictive behaviour modifiers they were designed to be.

Not even for artists, musicians or others looking for "exposure". I come from a time when we wrote, drew, printed and photocopied flyers and handed them out in bars. I recorded many demos and saw many bands and musicians come and go. I saw many extremely talented writers and players go unnoticed.

It is not better now with "social" media and likes, follows. I believe it is worse. Jaron Lanier, for what it is worth, wrote a lot about this.

@transicorn @homegrown

@transicorn

It is interesting that you are confident you don't have to worry about it shutting down. It'll be interesting also to see how that plays out. I'm not making any prediction nor suggesting a preference, just saying.. Nothing is for sure. Time will tell.

If not shutdown, another scenario is it gets bought out, or just somehow becomes de-facto financially controlled by some entity that causes a severe de-federation. Then you won't be sharing your music with #fedi, you'll be sharing it with mastodon.social.

@homegrown

@homegrown

I'd tend towards expressing that 28.7% is already sufficient to stop recommending mastodon.social, or any other big* server; that's too high a concentration for a decentralised network.

I'd therefore turn around and positively NOT recommend mastodon.social at this point. Obviously, nothing against mastodon.social or it's people, but for the general health of the network, (and for humanity!) Waiting until 40% would be too late.

I would not be so worried to establish at this time any hard percentages for limits or de-federation, I'd just hope that a campaign for conscientious of the reasons why not to join mastodon.social, the importance of small servers, and many of them, would be enough, and then deal with the other scenario if we ever get there, hopefully not.

* I'll admit I have an ideal about #fediverse servers, which is that the "community" of users on a server should reflect a #community that shares a reasonably close connection in some sense, AFK, IRL or whatever way you want to say #offline. This in itself should limit numbers, without having to explicitly place those limits.

Of course I accept other people have other valid notions and do not share this idea, so some larger servers may work too.

@worik

Hello! It is a statement of my opinion on the current state of the implementation of SimpleX, the client, the libraries used, etc etc.
So no, I don't have some links to my opinion. 😉

Please note, that the relevant adjective here is "excellent".

Just today I increased the character limit on this instance.

I can't for the life of me understand why I never did this before, always struggling to try to express what I needed to in a self imposed limit.

@JulianOliver @avoca

Because of this thread, and pondering that time gone by when I myself was struggling to try to get people to use less data-leaky platforms. including, yes #Signal; I just watched:

https://media.ccc.de/v/mch2022-196-signal-you-were-the-chosen-one-

In response to moxie's whining about LibreSignal (remember that?) using Signal's oh so expensive and difficult to run servers, @rysiek asks the audience:

"Who here has pushed, talked, conversed, suggested, etc people to use Signal?" [ raises own hand, audience not visible ]

"And how much work was this?" [ nods, gives impression audience are in agreement with rhetorical question ]

"Who here was paid by SIgnal to do this?"
[ audience recognition and applause ]

So yeah.. Signal it is, but there was a time that it wasn't. We all worked to make that happen. Next time, and there will be a next time, I hope at least, we will have learned from these mistakes.

Julian says a LOT of very valid things is these discussions. I myself am hatching educational projects around building community networks (real ones, not bullshit facebook gatways that the NGO sector currently promotes as CN).

One thing is for sure, I will NEVER promote centralised services again.

@JulianOliver
Why the obsession with #Signal, Julian?
That's quite a list there, and each item represents a frustration with signal messenger over the years, and for me, ultimately all but abandoning it.

As a friend started a response to Moxie at his #36C3 talk; "You said so many things I disagree with, it's tough to pick a question"...

Abandoning all hope for signal, I have for a time now, been trying to keep some hope alive for #SimpleX Chat. The protocol idea is excellent. The current implementation not so much, and I am not sure yet what to make of the direction in which it would seem that the developer wants to push it. There may be political motivations there, other than simply creating a messaging system.

That said, Simplex seems to have got a lot of stuff right, (ticks all the boxes on your list) whereas everything else, very much including signal, so far, has got wrong.

BTW, I've been at this game now FAR too long to suggest trying to move all your contacts on to yet another system, (you also, I imagine) so that's not the point here at all. Interested what you might think of Simplex all the same.

#OutLoud Thoughts:

You know, in order to keep a majority of a population subjugated, - because you want to use them as cheap labour, or steal their stuff, or simply disregard their needs, or all of the above; you have to keep a minority of that population very happy. Just quite HOW "happy" (read rich) you need to keep the minority is proportionate to the damage caused by (and/or the scale of) this very system, because the fallout will bleed over and be constantly disturbing the minority in one way or another, even if they are not quite conscious of this.

Evo #Morales came to government in 2006. In 2025 the minority game is back. So almost 20 years, and #Bolivia failed to implement a real Latin American turn around.

#Mexico is in a transformation process since seven years ago. Given that same time frame, that only leaves thirteen years before the minority elite would return to their position of absolute power.

Think about that next time you find yourself faced with those who can only rant on (without any real critical helpful debate) about #Morena and blame Claudia #Sheinbaum for everything, even the rain!

Thirteen years is not a lot of time to fix almost one hundred years of minority rule's wrack and ruin.

Of course, Mexico is not Bolivia, and there are many other factors, but it's a thought exercise game, not an absolute statement of fact.