Keith Whyte @keith@tic-ac.org

@handle @seedlingattempt
I can totally relate to this sadness and call to "don't" actions, which BTW, are sometimes very valid.

Not doing anything can be as good a call as any other, and hopefully the #MFABT generation is on its last legs.

I still think the problem is "phones". I don't think there is a "phone" that will fix this for us. That said, I am also eyeing a PinePhone. 😉

@doenietzomoeilijk @humanetech @jayrope

Not supporting older hardware is IMPLICIT in not supporting older Android. (I was about to write OS, but i'm really not sure "android" qualifies as an OS)

Tying security support to newer versions, i.e. newer hardware, while bundling new obligatory "functionality" is political, not technology related.

@jayrope @doenietzomoeilijk @humanetech

Something I do think about is some kind of Lineage (et al) install service. I'm no expert, but I believe that for a quality experience, the number of device models that this is possible on is quite small, especially in the more economic markets.

I'm all the time more and more convinced that we have created a mother of all problems with "phones", which is unfortunate, given my line of work. 😕 😞

@humanetech

The problem that I do not know how to deal with is 3-fold

1st there is #android itself, the main problem - that illegitimate robot spawn of FOSS+capitalism.

2nd are the portable computing devices and the culture of feeling somehow incomplete as humans without them, calling them "phones", with their locked bootloaders, closed propriety chips and firmwares et al.

3rd, as @jayrope alluded to is the complexity and the many layers and frameworks that modern software is based on.

@humanetech @jayrope

I don't think it is what you are saying, but my main thought here is always that I'm not convinced by the need for security updates outweighing supporting older hardware.

If anything, more secure software should be more lean, not more bloated + requiring more RAM and CPU. I think that a lot of extra (probably surveillance) crap is pushed out under the guise of "security" updates.

@jayrope @humanetech @the_white_wolf @frank@linuxrocks.online

I guess that when the internet project is finally successful, we can once and for all do away with minorities.

@aral
That is to say.. I do not support in anyway the idea that mastodon is a twitter "replacement".

@humanetech @jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank@linuxrocks.online
There may be some kind of valid reason for the version bump, if I find time I might look at the commit log and see if it is documented.

@humanetech @jayrope @the_white_wolf @frank@linuxrocks.online
re devs using libraries for... no good reason?
I just noticed during the #rc3 that the #jitsi client on F-droid is no longer supported on android < version 6. I can't even express in words how bad this feels on so many levels.

Forcing people to acquire new devices creates electronic junk, promotes exploitation of humans and limited physical resources.

https://entrebits.org/ingeniera-de-la-buena-juegos-de-internet-y-como-conseguir-datos-sin-que-se-den-cuenta/

Manifiesto de fediverse.tv:

Es un instancia de peertube, una tecnología que permite el almacen y distribución de contenidos multimedia.

[.. entendemos la recuperación del control de estas tecnologías como una forma de lucha y lo hacemos para la construcción de una sociedad y una cultura más libre, participativas, utilizando y promoviendo solo herramientas de software libre y auto-gestión tecnológica para poder alcanzar un mayor grado de emancipación y equidad social ..]
https://blog.fediverse.tv/manifiesto/